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Checking in on the Creative Achievement Quiz

I was curious, so I peeked.

People have been taking the Creative Achievement Questionnaire Quiz. 97, so far. That’s good enough for some results, right?

I didn’t include the original category names, courtesy of Jordan Peterson, because they are cringey.

Are you surprised? I’m not.

The Creative Achievement Questionnaire is set up to get results like this. Lots of people in the “new” category. Very few people in the “genius” categories.

Let’s not talk about the fact that this questionnaire is based solely on other people’s approval of your creativity—which by definition excludes the most innovative and original thinkers.

What strikes me—and I’m no statistician—is that this graph looks like half of a squished-down bell curve.

What would be on the other side—anti-creativity? Whining? Plans with no action?

Maybe that’s where they stick the people who are so innovative that they look insane.

Anyway, I’m still not happy with JP’s questionnaire but I haven’t come up with anything better yet.

 


How would you measure creativity?

Creative Achievement in the wild

Now that I’ve started turning (some of) my thoughts toward creative achievement, I’m seeing awesome confirmation-bias examples of people talking about it. Because I’m interested, I’m going to document what I notice and see if anything interesting shakes out.

Not all of these mention creative “achievement” per se, but I’m going for the spirit of the thing rather than the letter. The last thing I want to be is some stuffy academic who has to use the exact right words.

Japanese Chefs

Simon and Martina, everyone’s favorite kawaii food battle Youtube channel, has been upping their game with visits to higher-end restaurants in Japan. This one, Gion Roiro, is a French-Japanese fusion concept, using techniques from France with (only) local Japanese ingredients.

Simon: I feel like if you come to Japan and you only try traditional food you’re missing out on so much artistry and creative energy that Japanese chefs have–that would be like going to America and saying “I only want burgers.” That wouldn’t be fair. There are so many amazing chefs here who are trying new things.

I like the idea of creative energy, of that ebb and flow, of how energy can build with a group of people to unimaginable heights. “Where are you going to spend your creative energy for the day?” Like the people who wear the exact same outfit every day so they can spend their decision-making power on other things, like creative achievement. (I’ll put Steve Jobs in this category.)

Democrat to Deplorable

Jack Murphy was doxxed recently, but he also published a book. From the sounds of it, it’s a pretty good book, at that. (I haven’t read it yet.)

I would imagine that few things compare because it is so difficult, and especially difficult to do well. I’ve shitposted my way to accomplishment a few times, but I wouldn’t consider that real accomplishment. Not in the same way that I would consider someone who took enough care with his self-published book to get a fantastic cover designed accomplished.

That was a ridiculous sentence but I’m leaving it in.

Gary Vaynerchuk

Everyone’s favorite love-him-or-hate-him one-man motivation squad takes a creative approach to business.

I think my game is very reversed from everybody else’s, creatively. ALL of you is number one. “The market.” I only care about you motherfuckers–as a collective–so I’m just putting out. It’s a creative strategic framework that I have that’s absolutely fucking right.

I love applying the idea of creativity to domains other than artistry. For some reason, it still feels like crossing a boundary–like creativity only “belongs” in the arts. That complete BS, but it feels true.

Sometimes at my day job I pull out phrases like “creative problem solving” and people look at me like I’ve invented some crazy amazing new idea. It’s just problem solving, people. All problem solving is creative.

What is “Creative Achievement” anyway?

I’m curious about two things.

  1. My post on the Creative Achievement Questionnaire gets a lot of hits, probably from people wanting to know what’s on the questionnaire, and yet
  2. Google Trends doesn’t have enough data to make a chart for “creative achievement.”

I get why people search for it–Jordan B Peterson talks about it and naturally people get curious. That’s why I found it myself. Then, I was enthusiastic about it. Now, I am much less enthusiastic about JBP and about the questionnaire.

Much of the questionnaire is based on social acceptability of the creative work. Publishing, reviews in national publications, that sort of thing. As a proxy for popularity, it makes sense. The question we’re answering is “to what degree is this person creative within this social epoch.”

But is that an objective scale? No. That would put many artists, such as Vincent van Gogh, who were not popular during their lifetimes, much further down the scale than they merit.

This scale does not take into account social norms or taboos (and the fact that truly creative work often violates these). It does not take into account the Lindy effect, or the timelessness of a creative act. And it does not take into account originality or mimicry. Only acceptability.

It also does not take into account the political and very flawed nature of peer review, but asking that of peer-reviewed “science” may be too much. (Understatement.)

What I’m getting at here is that this Questionnaire sets the boundaries of creativity to what is socially acceptable. Boundaries are intrinsically antithetical to true creative achievement.

One of the commenters on the forum from which I cribbed the Questionnaire echoes this same sort of sentiment:

For me my zero score has a lot do with my very strong distaste for formal schooling, both the social aspects and the book work aspects. I’m usually only interested in things that invigorate me through combat/action (virtual and real life) or that involve learning about the extraordinary. I suppose technically I could score 1 or 2 points for humor and thinking about science related things but that would be lenient.

The people who are most likely to be the creativist achievers are also the least likely to accept the rules of society. See also Elon Musk’s current 1v1million battle against the media and Peter Thiel’s status as Permanent Outsider.

I see this online a lot as well, where the originators of tremendously influential memes are completely anonymous, and the ones that we do know (like Comrade Stump) are highly obscure.

This world has an interesting way of obscuring the true origins of things.

Anyway, I did some additional research into the phrase “creative achievement,” and as Google Trends suggests, there isn’t all that much. (Especially if you’re not particularly interested in psychology.)

From the Oxford English Dictionary, we have a few out-of-context quotes:

1927   Lima (Ohio) News 25 Jan. 7/2   It releases the worker from the old body-killing exertion and frees him for creative achievement and recreation outside his job.

2012   N. Dykstra Clover Adams ii. 23   How she grew had been shaped by being at the center of a city during extraordinary years of go-getting, reform, and creative achievement.

These uses certainly position creative achievement among the day-to-day things that we do, such as cooking dinner (Culinary arts?) and doodling in the margins of our notes.

Some psychologists say there are eight domains of creativity, such as Culinary Arts and Creative Writing, but others bump that up to 10 by adding Inventions and Scientific Discovery to the mix.

I investigated ten different domains of creativity: Visual Arts, Music, Dance, Architectural design, Creative writing, Humor, Inventions, Scientific Discovery, Theater and film, and Culinary Arts.

The two main factors most strongly associated with Intellect— Intellectual Engagement and Explicit Cognitive Ability– were more relevant to creative achievement in the sciences than the arts, whereas the two main factors most strongly associated with Openness— Affective Engagement and Aesthetic Engagement– were more relevant to creative achievement in the arts than the sciences. What’s more, these results suggest that Affective Engagement may be detrimental to creative achievement in the sciences.

Interestingly, when I considered all four factors at the same time, I found that Intellectual Engagement was a better predictor of scientific creative achievement than Explicit Cognitive Ability.

If I were to roughly match up these cognitive labels with MBTI points, I would guess:
  • Intellectual Engagement = Intuition
  • Explicit Cognitive Ability = Thinking
  • Affective Engagement = Feeling
  • Aesthetic Engagement = Sensing (although this might be a little bit shaky).

It would make sense to me that Intuition would be the best predictor of creative achievement (intuition includes the ability to make leaps between seemingly disparate subjects). It would also make sense to me that N and T skew to science-related creativity while S and F skew to the arts.

(Once you understand that science is mostly made up of NF types, the personalities make much more sense. Most of the NTs are in engineering, not science research.)

Mensa, on the other hand, deliberately eliminates any artistic achievement at all from their Copper Black award:

What is considered to be a “creative achievement”?

Are artistic works such as paintings, music, choreography or fiction eligible?
No.
This is basically the “congratulations, you did something” award. Past award winners include things like
  • classroom integration of Sudoku for learning
  • anti-bullying app
  • teaching strategy to narrow, close, and even reverse historically pervasive achievement gaps among students from diverse backgrounds
  • research and development of a motion sensor capable of discriminating between a home intruder and a wandering pet
  • developing and implementing an intervention for those with children suffering from Reading Comprehension Deficit

I once was mildly curious about Mensa. Can’t say that I am anymore.

The question remains: what can we get out of all these differing perspectives on creative achievement? From the looks of things, not much.

If we wish to rise above the confines of our times and truly get a handle on what achievements were worthwhile, original, contributions to the world…we’d have to be God.

Same with scouring the earth for the hidden creative forces that are far more influential than seems allowable. Like Susan Boyle, for instance, an incredible voice in a person who was not seeking fame or achievement.

Perhaps what we can see is “creative ambition,” not true creativity.

I’m intrigued by this now, and will have to investigate and ponder it further.

What is creative achievement, and does writing about it matter?

 

A metric: the Creative Achievement Questionnaire

I’ve been listening to Jordan B Peterson lectures on YouTube again. (Always super motivating and super depressing at the same time. Reality has a way of doing that to you.)

One of the hardest things to learn about creativity (and anything, really), is that potential means nothing. What matters is what you produce; your body of work.

For those of us just starting out on our creative journeys, it’s important to define what success means and cobble together some metrics to judge whether or not we’re heading in the right direction.

JBP and Shelly Carson created the Creative Achievement Questionnaire to test creative production (not merely creative potential!), and it turns out that it could make a perfect objective measure for achievement in creative pursuits.

My score is 11, which places me at the top end of the Novice Creative category. Mostly of those achievements happened in during my teenage years; I neglected to cultivate my creative talents in university and afterward. There are a couple of scores I could fudge to push myself into the Maker category, but that’s edging into “lying to myself” territory.

Now, as far as using this as a metric: looking over the scoring system shows that each creative domain is scored in a logarithmic scale of difficulty. It will take an immense amount of work to bump up my total score even 1 point, let alone a whole category. However, 1 more point will push me over into Maker–which I could make happen by next year.

If I really double down, I could push myself into the Creative category. I’ll have to formulate some concrete systems and goals to make that happen.

But! We now have a measure for creative output. Let us watch The Gap again and put it to good use.

Read on for the full questionnaire with my scores.

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